the graph, he took 2.3 billion just to balance the budget that year in 2009. >> right. and so, we had a budget hole we needed to fill and when we needed to fill it, we turned to the federal government just like any state would. but you know, when it comes to rick perry and federal stimulus money, you know, the rhetoric doesn't always match the action. >> now, but dave, didn't he want to succeed from the union. i mean, why would you want to succeed and at the same time take federal money from the national government you want to leave? >> well, he said we might have to flirt with says session. that's one of the examples where rick perry made what seemed like a very controversial statement and he walked right up to the line and maybe crossed it a little bit. and seemed kind of outlandish at the time. seemed almost crazy at the time. but in retrospect, turned out to