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that's why rove keeps chipping away at rick perry? >> rove attacked rick perry because he knows rick perry doesn't have the smarts to pull this off. more importantly, he knows what rick perry said before rick perry came out on the national scene. the short list is, he wanted to ban social security, ban medicare, he wanted to ban teaching evolution in schools. interestingly enough he wanted to ban america. he wanted texas to secede from the united states. >> he never said it. >> mike -- >> it's not true. >> let me finish what i'm saying. >> he didn't say it. >> he said in part, because he did -- he didn't have the intellect to understand what a shallow simple ton proclamation that was, and you're worried about it, because you know that's going to come up in this

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