$12 billion a year to pay the retirees and it is not a significant number of the people in the armed forces that we get or want to keep for 20 years. so, again, i think that they can look at it, but this is the conversation, itself, will cause enormous chagrin in the mid-career noncommissioned officer corps and the young officers of the armed forces. >> and this as so much focus on the armed forces as we are operating in three fronts around the world. thank you, general. appreciate your time. >> good to be with you, richard. >> thank you. the riots around london tops our news around the nation. today, officers were sent to protect major shopping centers of the city and as well as sites of the 2012 olympic games after intercepting phone messages