"d," the end result of what the tea party engineered by way of confrontation in the name of democracy and grassroots power was to create something opposite of grassroots and as close to monarchy in the hot congress as we've seen. >> norm, when i look at the actual workings of the committee, i hope you are as unsurprised as i am that the chairman of the finance committee is on there and the chairman of the ways and means is on there, they have jurisdiction over virtually everything that's being discussed other than the defense department budget cuts, and they also bring their staffs with them, who are the only professional snafs in the congress who are actually capable of working on legislation involving all of these main streets, so although murray has the title of chairman, it's real de facto going to be chairman of ways and means, chairman of finance, those are the people sitting there with the real answers to what's possible, aren't they? >> there's a lot of truths to