you're happy with the story that is told, right? >> right now? yeah. >> at first, it seemed like ream wasn't taking the bait. the two sparred. >> if it doesn't matter what happened, it doesn't matter. it doesn't. >> it does matter. >> why would it matter? if you don't care, the family don't care? nobody cares -- >> no, we didn't say we didn't care, we just said we have closure. >> mac stuck to the game plan, pretend like it's all old history. >> i said i'm fine with it, i'm going to move on, and this guy was like hanging on to my -- i'm trying to get up. i said art you've got five minutes to write me out a map. >> the ploy was working. ream could sense the curtain was coming down and he didn't like not being center stage anymore. >> i don't have closure, so how the hell can they have closure? >> because that's the type of people they are. do they want their daughter back? of course they do. >> he took his trump card, it was perfect. art had no more control, he couldn't be the puppet master. mac took it from him.