doing identifiable thing, we saw in 2010 a large number of republican voters rushing to the polls and electing republican candidates and democrats sitting on their hands. how does the white house keep democrats from sitting on your hands? >> when you're running you want a good enemy and somebody you can get behind. that's what 2008 was. what i liked best about 2008 was it assumed that american voters would respond to argument, they were adults, you could make a case to them, and that even if the so-called median voter didn't agree with you today, if you could make the right kind of case you'd be able to win the median voter. they have not governed that way, they campaigned that way in '08, they have not governed that way, so i think they are going to have to decide whether or not they think americans are adults who can hear an argument. i think that's what wisconsin shows. look, wisconsin got the government they elected. those people didn't get put in