president meeting with them. clearly some advisors are. clearly they have a lot of healing to do with the base of the party. >> the key for him is turn out. he's going the get the black vote. he's going to get the hispanic vote. but what's the%age going to be in terms of turnout. that made all the difference in the last election. >> reed wilson 95% of the black vote in virginia if it's 15% of the lek rat doesn't matter. if the black vote makes up 20% of the black vote in virginia, the president wins. >> that's got huge ramifications for the rest of the state as well. dick cain to keep the democrat seat. >> it's a virginia, it's a north carolina, where in particular where the president base of african-americans and younger voters and new voters in those two states in particular. >> you brought up the point about pennsylvania being a sign that democrats are trouble. the new swing states are not ohio or pennsylvania or the upper midwest. it's virginia and north carolina