have a driver's license go to the dmv to get a free i.d. card that has no photo on it? the logic of it, it seems to me, is pretty compelling. >> speaking of logic, the brennan center for justice found that only 44 one millionth of 1% are cast by voter fraud. so when they say these are going to be shutting down voter fraud by shutting down the dmvs, does shutting down the dmvs give the republicans a better way of disenfranchising voters? because all of us hate the dmv. is that what's happening here? >> i think this was a pretty smooth move. what the legislature said and did, there had to be one dmv office open 20 hours a week in every county. that does sound like good government and they gave dmv another couple million dollars for the free i.d. cards. the problem is when you do it on a county-by-county basis, that means that you're tended to tilt toward rural counties, low-population counties.