every day. the average household decides, can we afford to buy new shoes for the kids? can we afford to go to the movies this week? what kind of vacation can we take? travel, stay in the neighborhood? people make these decisions. why doesn't the federal government decide what it's going to spend money on and decide it's going to pay for it? andrew, you first. why not a rational thought here? >> here's the fundamental problem. to have that honest conversation. the conversation we need to have. while we need to raise revenue, that meenz raising taxes, perhaps on the wealthiest, unfortunately, in the end you probably have to raise taxes, the cuts will be deep and painful. conversation unto itself is a painful conversation, ultimately to truly have. it's a conversation we think we want to have but when you actually sit around the table and are having it, it's a very difficult one, because the answers aren't -- >> i've had that conversation my parents had that conversation every week and that's how we lived and got to where we got today. middle-class parents