room for adults. it doesn't make any sense why these two can't come together. >> they both got angry on friday night, and it's like, okay. we're divorcing. and then saturday morning they're back together again. >> it's mutually shared destruction iffed debt ceiling isn't raised on august 2nd. even if we don't default. smart economists tell you, you probably won't default right away. the u.s. treasury would try or tor -- prioritize and then national debt, economists say the effect of a default. sooner or later, the long ter goes on, credit markets will wonder, wait. how long will they be able to meet these obligations? so the economic damage, first of all, is already happening. it's only going to get worse, and i don't understand the politics of it. i don't understand, you know, who thinks this is beneficial to them? i don't understand -- >> why they think they have the upper hand. >> wye why republicans want another vote before the 2012