estimates, 890,000 already registered voters in the state of north carolina would not have been able to vote, but thank goodness the democratic governor vetoed the law. >> if you live in a big city, like new york, philadelphia, dense neighborhoods, you don't own a car, you don't drive. so not everybody has driver's licenses. that's just a fact. anyway, let's go on. we'll have this debate through the elections. i think it's odd you can vote if you have a gun license, but not a student i.d. cards. >> we know who the targets are. horace cooper, thank you, judi brown-dianis, thank you. a new book sheds light -- this is a great topic. who was the old man that played such a part in at least his imagination? i'm going to talk to the author when we return. this is "hardball," only on msnbc.