let's see the rest of that interview about murdoch. >> as you know, "news of the world," owned by rupert murdoch, who has been a friend and supporter of yours for a long time, there are now allegations that news corp. journalists or those working for news corp. tried to hack into the answering machines or the phones of 9/11 victims or their families. should there be an investigation? >> well, there is an investigation. i'm sure. interaccepting communications like that is a crime, has to be investigated. i think what there shouldn't be and we've learned recently with a bunch of criminal cases of different times, don't rush to judgment, give people the presumption of innocence. >> have you spoken to mr. murdoch? >> no, not in the last couple of weeks. >> are you confident? >> i will, probably see him in the next couple of days or weeks. i see him at various functions.