conservative stand. point, grover norquist, hang on, eliminate the ethanol subsidies, a tax increase. how does he deal with that? >> both of those, look at those reasonably are not really true. you cannot come close to balancing the budget without looking at entitlements and there's not a person in america who thinks you can. and i think that includes nancy pelosi and harry reid. what i would do and suggest to the media if they're going to start criticizing some of the proposals out there, not just senator coburns, where's your proposal? close is the democrat of leaders in the house. she proposed nothing. >> what about grover norquist and the no tax crowd relative to coburn who says year going to eliminate -- >> i totally agree. if you are raising -- i agree with grover, if you are raising the margin the rates on income tax -- lgts that's not what we're talking about. what we're talking about is the elimination of sdub sdis -- >> the vast majority of conservatives agree getting rid of ethanol subsidies are not tax