that's really what i think we ought to see. i think the president has tried to do it but he frankly hasn't had a willing partner in the house of representatives. >> i do want to talk to that. if we don't see agreement here, we have this deadline up in front of us. ezra, really quickly to you as we finish this segment, what's the timeline? we're hearing it's going to be all the way up to this sunday, maybe monday, of more of the same before we actually get ink to paper. >> and we'll see if we get ink to paper then. remember, when we came to the shutdown, we signed the shutdown bill preventing the government shutdown six minutes after midnight so we were actually technically shutting down for six minutes. if we do that on the debt ceiling, and there's a really good chance we will. there's a good chance one of these bills could fail, much as t.a.r.p. did. there's a good chance negotiations could break down. if we get there and get to midnight, the market may be a lot less friendly than the fed cal employees were. >> thank you both for your time on this subject today. by the time, ezra will guest