the president's trying to lead, but he's not accomplishing it. >> well, i think that if you look at where the parties are, compared to discussions over the last decades, there are things that both sides are talking about doing that are very dramatic. i think there's still time to get something big done. the president's made it clear he wants to do something substantial. you know, when you look in the past at agreements between divided government, it's taken leadership on both sides. it took reagan and o'neil, it took clinton and gingrich. the president is out there, he's willing to do it. he said it in the "state of the union," he said it in the budget. the question is do we have a partner to work with? and i hope the answer is yes. >> but you suspect it may not be yes. >> leadership requires a partner. >> mr. lew, thank you very much. appreciate your time. >> thank you. >> joining me is assistant majority leader of the senate, democrat dick durbin of illinois, and republican senator from south carolina, author of "the great american awakening: two years that changed america, washington and me," senator jim demint. welcome both. >> thank you. >> good morning. thank you.