coming back, but the ones that do are the ones we never expect. the fact that we're in the manufacturing sector, it's the lack of imagination. i do think the one silver lining here, and it's part of the reason we haven't generated jobs, is because coming out of a financial crisis like you do, this is the nature of it. you don't get enough growth and enough demand. that said, where's the silver lining? we've had more ipos since the fourth quarter of 2010 than we've had since 2000. why is that important? new businesses, not just small businesses, new businesses interacting with established firms is where you get the miracle in job creation. that was what happened in the 1990s to an extreme. companies that maybe never should have hired -- there were some bubbles out there -- >> never should have raised capital. that's a good point. if you want a good news story, take a look at groupon, for example, a name some of your viewers may know. 7,000 employees have been hired over the past couple years. google, only ten years old, 28,600 employees. there is still growth in the economy. >> what this conversation shows is wall street is back, the