republicans running at the time, that we want to deal first and foremost with spending. not the tax issues. >> i know. what about the debt? wait a minute. >> with respect to the debt? she's got it half right, and reality of it is, moody fills out rest of it saying, i know this is a bond lawyer, many year working. >> i know you know your stuff. >> the reality is, if you don't pay, you can pay part a, if you don't pay part b, is that bad? the impact on bond holders, the residual income not coming in, that increases your interest rate. that pushes the market down, and it's a real problem, and that's the problem right now with the -- >> i think we have another problem. the far right that doesn't want to face facts. i agree ideologues on the right and left rarely deal with actual fact. rather deal with philosophy. the hard-liner continuing to blame the president as the lead shirr meets at the white house as we speak.