i got almost every republican to vote for my budget. we have a balance plan that brings us up to balance in ten years. it doesn't happen overnight. i don't think we can do it faster than seven, eight, nine years. let's have the debate and agree on a premise, we can't keep running up the debts. >> let's talk about these numbers. we have to put this into perspective. these numbers come from steve rattner who was here an hour or two ago. i don't think he's voted for a lot of republicans in his life but we agree, steve and i agree. i think you will too. look at this graphs. the outstanding debt, $13.6 trillion. he says that's bad enough. then you look at the unfunded liabilities that we have talked about for a very long time. unfunded medicare liability $35 trillion. then you look at the total obligations. this is the number.