she says "the people of america are desperate for positive change and deserving of positive change. i'm not so egotistical as to believe that it has to be me or it can only be me to turn things around, but i do believe that i can win." what is she up to here? >> i'm not going to attempt -- to crawl inside and see if she's going to do things predictably like other candidates is a mistake. it feels like she's simply trying to go out on her own terms. you know, she didn't want the tucson response that she made when she called blood libel and all those things after the gabby gifford shooting to be the lasting impression of 2011. if she doesn't want to run, she wants that to be the message -- i could win, but i don't need it. >> but she has this quality of wanting to very much stay on the margins, be the spoiler, if that's the role, but it's completely unconventional. >> it is completely unconventional. i'm not exactly sure, beyond the influence she has now as a kind of gad fly, as a sort of political presence, i'm not sure how this path that she seems to be on gets her any more