been done with the private-public partnership, and it takes some imagineer to set a seemingly impossible goal way up there, then it takes the tinkerers and the inventers to achieve that. that's what jean did with "star trek" and many people involved with nasa were inspired to go into it. >> we need to talk about the next chapter, miles, i want to bring you into the conversation, because you're a brilliant journalist, our space savant, i think it's safe to say that. nice to share tv time with an old friend. give us an idea, what's the best guess of the future of the american space program. it's been so part of our american narrative, is the private sector really the answer now? >> well, let's talk about the