person a christian counselor. last year went on a radio program and referred to gays as, barbarians. let's listen to what he said and why. >> we have to understand barbarians need to be educated. they need to be disciplined, and just because someone feels it or thinks it doesn't mean that we are supposed to go down that road. that's what's called the sinful nature and we have a responsibility as parents and authority figures not to encourage such thoughts and feelings to move into the action step. >> so what do you make of that as a national campaign message, the people who are gay should not activity be gay? that's an odd thing to be making as a public spokesman with a spouse in a political campaign? >> it's not going to be the message of her campaign. probably not language that even she potentially would use, but i will say this. >> barbarians? >> i would assume --