really believed in medicare as we know it, go after this program, privatize it, turn it to the insurance companies who don't know how to do insurance in terms of d -- don't know how to do it as well as medicare. >> i know we've got to go, but does everybody here agree that our biggest problem in america on the debt crisis are medical costs over the next 30 years? >> gentlemen? >> actually, the biggest part of the deficit is because of the bush tax cuts. that's true. >> come on. >> that's true. that's cbo. >> you know -- >> you got the cost of these -- >> in the short term you've got the bush tax cuts, but howard, as a matter of math, if p you -- concord coalition, the petersen foundation, i'm not talking about right-wing think tanks, economists -- we've got the take care of that explosive growth in health care. >> i have to agree with that. i agree with that. >> ten years ago -- we've got to