around. he's coming in the room finally. get joe biden out and him in. they want to hear from the man or woman in charge. the president is the person in charge. he's the one to force consensus and make concessions the republicans will believe they can count on. it's important. when i say i'll get republican votes to do this, they look at me and go okay, we'll do it. otherwise, it's squishy and everyone takes a risk. >> i want to be clear on taxes. at this point, they are not the same thing. we have had fair tax rates and people consider tax rates on the wealthiest. i think we are at a point where it is. i don't want to be overly critical. we have tracked car jobs and we have problems in our system.