taxation, a means testing of medicare, et cetera, et cetera. there is room to manoeuvre in there as firm as she sounded. >> there are plenty of things you can do in medica. clinton's first act on medicare was to cut it substantially. without hitting beneficiaries. where do we go from here? cantor has walked out. is boehner really going to go in alone and have the burden alone of talking about taxation with the president, with democrats? >> well, initially, i think he will. i think he will. i think they are playing a sort of bad cop and worse cop routine here, where boehner, the golfing buddy -- >> no show cop. >> and the cop who is here but he is not allowed to discuss it. the one eating the doughnuts in the car. boehner will have the doughnuts. and he'll be sitting and listening to the president and get the president to say whatever he's going to say about closing loopholes or raising taxes, whatever. then they'll run out and denounce that.