the same conflict this time next year with 10,000 less troops or 20,000 less troops. 2014 getting all our troops out -- >> our com pat troops. we'll still keep 25,000 trainers over there, which is amazing to me. >> getting to that point is predicated on our militarily defeating the insurgency. >> here's the dangerous point. could he be going into an area in the middle where nothing gets done? fewer troops, that sounds like a recipe for a disaster, instead of 100,000 troops, they're down to 25,000 fighting the same kind of war. >> yeah, basically. what you get is -- i think the president is lard to 2009, trying to please everybody, cutting the difference again. >> we'll find out why the president believes in this war. you don't. senator boxer believes we have