component because we don't think that we should be asking some people to take big cuts when we're not asking the big oil companies to get rid of their subsidies. there's also the question of a trigger. in other words, if you can get a certain amount in down payment -- whatever number it is -- you then create a trigger mechanism to get a remaining cut -- >> could you agree on the trigger but not agree on how you enforce it? >> well, it's very difficult to do a trigger without some kind of enforcement mechanism. what i mean by that is, you need to spell out what happens when the trigger goes -- >> but i'm talking about spelling out whether tax hikes versus spending cuts and the ratio of tax hikes and spending cuts. >> you would have to have both as part of a trigger because you have to make clear what cuts are taking place. then you also have to make clear what revenues would kick in. >> they're playing my song. congressman chris von hollen, i think we'd go into the weeds. >> we hope we can pull this off but the jury is still out. >> thanks. up next, forget the u.s.