workers, employers and workers and structural reforms need to be in there. the other thing is how do we improve education so that the skills problem, which is right at the heart of a lot of the unemployment, gets addressed. many of the low-skill jobs will never come back no matter what you do to the deficit. couldn't we be more creative in the debate not just about what gets cut but what gets better in america. >> we have to prevent the bankruptcy of america. but absolutabsolutely. we're talking about tax reform. we need to make america an attractive place for business investment. i'm a manufacturer. i understand that totally. but, again, folks, the problem is we're hurtling toward bankruptcy and we have to prevent that. that's the number one step. >> can you talk about tax reform that will bring more revenue to the government. people ask -- they go out, they