win. but they can cause enormous trouble in the primaries. they hate muslims. they hate gays. they hit immigrants. it's a very unattractive painting for the under 35 voters that elected barack obama. that time they're going to be under 39 voters. these are fiscally conservative voters because of what they've just been through. they are socially not just tolerant but inclusive of all the groups that the right wing is beating up on. huntsman's got some room here. i'm going to be fascinated to see. i am somewhat partial to governors. we've got three solid governors in this race. i'm going to be fascinated to see how this goes. >> former governor howard dean, thanks for joining us tonight. >> thank you. joining me now is howard nooin, senior editor for the huffington post and an msnbc senior analyst. thank you for joining me tonight. >> hi, lawrence. >> howard, the mitch daniels decision, how did he come to that decision? what do we know beyond his statement? >> what we know is that his wife was dead set against it.