and what he did giving the speech the way he did it is only brought the issue back front and center at a krcritical time of e race. more he needs to go and have people like you thinking new about him, think he's a nice, interesting, likable, accessible guy. if he kblt convince people like you, chris, that's what he is he will have a hard time winning the nomination. if he does, he can't win the general election against barack obama. >> he has -- i'm not knocking these guys. they're fine people. dukakis has it, gore had it. meeting them in the green room backstage, they're just like us here. they have regular conversations. they can be charming and funny. they're like normal people and yet the minute they get before the camera, they do this dudley dooright number. you interview them with a pencil. you know them off camera. i mean a pen. >> he's not -- he's got flaws as a kand ditd. one is he doesn't come across as