could not answer the question what is our objective? and we've asked repeatedly various people on the show from washington, d.c., senate and the house, that is our objective there and they hem and they huh and they really can't give you one, two, three, here's our objectivement let's find out. >> certainly an appropriate time to reassess. >> it really is and i think the symbolic feeling about bin laden's death and maybe even a legitimate one depending on how much power he still had and certainly the information garnered out of his compound, all of these things should help turn the page in some way. we do have to honor the mission and what our troops have been doing. at the same time how long, how long do we lose men and women to this sort of unwinnable objective. >> jonathan, you think senator kerry can be the guy? i mean if he makes this his legacy, i'm going to lead hearings, i'm going to lead us out of afghanistan, is this a good moment for him. >> sure, absolutely.