we're seeing now the re -- creation of, we met some very extreme people coming up, replacing the more moderate side of the taliban, and these people are less willing, apparently, it seems, to make a deal and come out. that might make it more difficult to pull out. >> don't we have an inherent conflict here, in what we're doing in afghanistan. on the other hand, the military has been turned into a peace corps part of it, living with the afghan people, government in a box, all that sort of thing. on the other hand, you have the s.e.a.l. team 6s and 3, 4, 5, and they're killing out at night, don't care about what the impact is in the village and care about their assignment and completing it. >> they try to integrate it. you are seeing an incredible division of labor never happened before, elite teams doing killing and conventional forces told to go soft. they say it's integrated. you can imagine if your forces are locked up in a base