it has a vast military. it's playing a very important, strategic role in central asia. it's troubling scenario. >> i'm curious. i was reading in islamabad, there's a demonstration by about 300 people that have less to do with the significance of osama bin laden's death than just being generally anti-american. in it's rhetoric and the message they were sending. how does the u.s. go about trying to win over the hearts and minds of the pakistani people? >> it's very difficult. one of the biggest problems we have is that we're fighting against the pakistani government right now. the pakistani government instead coming out and saying, look, osama bin laden is killing innocent pakistanis. it wasn't great to have a violation of our sovereignty but he's our enemy. you have the pakistani government saying this is unacceptable, the americans have violated our borders. >> do you think they're doing that to the pakistani citizens. >> i think they're doing it to a very small minority of people