put him now the this viral universe in a farm of digital information with that image out there i think will have a different kind of desecration going on. i think we will pay for it if we do it anyway that is my view, gene. i have to say i respect you, i don't like your views. anyway -- just kidding, of course i do as a journalist, i can understand the right to report. anyway, the default position, as we say at the "washington post" issing to release the information. i heard it tonight. thank you, gene. and thank you, joan walsh, for being right. did the torture of key suspects give us keith information that led to bin laden? that is the debate. there are a lot of de bates tonight. the bush crowd who supported waterboarding, says they have been proven right. facts work. well, we will seem the fact its of the case got other way. according to the "new york times" according to others according to our own mike issa cough, water board doing not do t -- it. you are watching "hardball," only on msnbc. witnessed snowfall on the first day of spring. some ♪