forgetting is what professional interrogators have been saying all along, when you use techniques like water boarding, you get the bare minimum about of information out of a detainee. that minimum about of information is going to lack the details you need to execute a mission to take out a target. the type of information you need to take out a target isn't a nickname of a courier. it's who is that courier, how do we find him? and how do we know when he's meeting with the target. in this case, bin laden. it took seven years to go from water boarding of to how we found him. someone very similar to ka hid, he provided the name and how we would know when he would meet with him and allowed us to go from cooperation to the death in about six weeks. >> tell us about this breaking report in the new york times. what do you know about it?