yemen who publishes or helps to publish a magazine called "inspire" in cloak -- colloquial english, and who has called on americans using, you know, appropriate selective portions of the koran et cetera to conduct jihad in america. he's a very potent and lethal fellow. there are also important cells in africa. al qaeda in the magrab. just friday the germans arrested four al qaeda members intending to attack in germany. let's think a different kind of threat. a more loose threat and let's think also opportunistic terror cells from other organizations that can attach and we still have a big problem here. >> when you were on the intelligence committee, did you get a sense of just how cold the trail was in terms of trying to catch osama bin laden? we heard the president just saying this is in 2002 saying, if he's alive at all, saying who knows if he's hiding in a cave or not. if he's alive at all. did you reach the point in the intelligence committee where you just didn't know if he was