what i think the american public -- and i'm not in the business of giving the republican party advice. to the independents and 17 million people not working in the jobs they want to be working in, they think this entire conversation is ludicrous. and when it comes time to vote, they're going to pull the lever for barack obama, talking about jobs, national security and here you have the fringe republicans you have the fringe republicans you have the fringe you have the fringe out here talking about issues they aren't talking about. >> i want to get back to this train here. >> this ridiculous issue. >> pat, you suspect he wasn't qualified for harvard. they're hard to get into. you suspect that he got to be head of the law review, you think that was affirmative action number there, sure? >> sure. look. i have seen applications with special slots for minority students. >> he is head of the -- you have a break there. >> it would be my guess but, chris, what i want to know is -- >> why is it your guess? why do you keep -- you and donald trump. he says he didn't write the book