having an economic increase that will actually increase the revenues to the federal government. we're not talking about raising tax rates at all. so if there's a net effect of tax revenue, that would be fine with me. i experienced that during reagan's period in 1986. >> that may not have sounded like a particularly bold response to you, but for a republican senator, nothing braver has been said on television in this century. senator coburn just said that he's willing to violate a pledge he submitted in 2004 to a man i've called the most powerful man in america who does not sleep in the white house. >> meet grover norquist, the president of americans for tax reform, whose mission statement is, "the government's power to control one's life derives from