>> the big lie has worked in propaganda and politics for ages and works again now. >> what's the game? suppose more documentation comes out and he says i'll shut out now. >> some think that's his theory, that he has no real entree so he's chosen this. the trouble is, he's riding a tiger and if you fall off the back of the tiger, the tiger eats you. >> what's his exit strategy? after last night, what is it? does he quit? >> i think he'll go all the way with this. >> all the way to the presidency? >> it will be a litmus test. is the republican party about lower taxes -- >> i'm with you. i think the republican party that you represent as chairman is not the george will party of the cerebral let's look at the issues and reduce the deficit. it's become, not a ethnicity party, but the crazy tribalist --