party, but the crazy tribalist -- >> let me just -- >> do you want to answer that question, has it changed? >> it has changed. and to be rather frank about it, i think rather and file republicans don't give a rat's engine let about the birther issue. >> what about if 51% say he wasn't born here? >> i don't know who that 51% is. that's one poll. could have been 400 respondents in the poll. you can't say that's every republican in the country. let's be clear about that. >> so you didn't pollsters who say -- you don't believe in polls now? >> i'm not say i don't go believe in polls. i'm a realist for what they represent. i'm not going to extrapolate from one poll and say that 51% of any number, saying that represents everybody. the view of the issue boils down to this. america is on a collision course with its future, whether or not we'll be substantive about the debt and deficits that we face or are we going to play on the playground with each other. >> we have polls that show that the republican party don't want