case for preventative war for humanitarian reasons. that's one extension of the bush doctrine. he establishes preventive war, which is aggression. so no matter how noble it may sound to promote aggression, but now in libya, we're promoting this preventative war to prevent humanitarian problems. at the same time, they have never even been proven, let alone legitimate. so i would say, yes, it's horrible. all these things are horrible around the world, but i don't think us getting involved and using violence and bombing and killing innocent people. you know when we drop these bombs and we launch these missiles -- >> i know. >> -- and drones into pakistan, and a lot of innocent people die. so no matter how well intentioned it is, you know, there is a blowback, there is a consequence, and most of the consequence are unintended and they make our problems much worse for ourselves. >> you understand the fiscal situation. do you think it's something we should risk not passing a debt ceiling? will that shatter the fiscal markets around the world?