are you a jefferson man or adams man. >> there's a big difference. >> a big difference to mika. jefferson or adams. >> jefferson, they were worried there was actually going to be a subversion of the election to give the job to john marshall, who was secretary of state, because of an electoral college thing. it would have -- the countdown clock on that in 1800 would have been in quill but it would have been extraordinary. this has always been this way. what i think is the danger as acting as though this is a particularly different moment, we have come out of these things before. we just celebrated 140th anniversary of fort sumter, for god's sake, we came through that. if we cut ourselves off from the past by pretending our situation is so unique, we manage to cut ourselves off from being able to learn from that past. >> carl, what concerns you most? . >> money and politics. i think that's at the heart of