what is his involvement? is he driving people like newt out, driving palin away into th sunset? killing the chances for a debut by bachmann >> i would not discount bachmann, because she knows how to win a close race where she had a lot of money thrown at her in minnesota. it's kind of a swing district she won. i think she'll be running a real campaign. but for trump, it might have kind of started out as a joke, but he wakes up now and sees himself and he's a very competitive guy tied for the lead or running a solid second or third in polls, maybe you have to to take it seriously now. i don't think he'd do very well -- >> are the voters serious? voters voted for ross perot after he said that north koreans had run across his lawn, after he was making incredible statements that suggests that he was certifiably nuts, and after doing that, 19% of the country, chsz basically the only part -- you know -- -- 40% is liberal, 40 is -- there's only about 20% in the