i always hear good things about planned parenthood and not from people that are necessarily on this side of the pro-choice movement either but why are they going after this group? the republicans? >> yeah, sure there's a couple of reasons. one is that by putting this on planned parenthood and particularly by coming down to this sort of final moment and saying we will hold up the whole thing over the question of defunding planned parenthood, it allows, if there is in fact a government shutdown, for the blame to be placed not on obstructionist republicans who are making a set of choices that the country simply cannot live with in the long term, but instead to kind of offset that blame on radical feminists who want to give people abortions. you see what happens is then the -- >> who is doing that? >> well, that's what happens if the government shut downs around the planned parenthood question. in other words, the issue of will you -- will you hold the line on this? if the president and the democratic party don't hold the line on this, then they recognize that they have a very strong possibility of losing the support of women voters.