prisons and 7.5% to universities. you have to pay attention. the budget is zero sum, you keep increasing the prison budget, you are seriously taking money from the kids and schools. it's a real short term strategy and hurts the progress of the future of the country. >> have we made progress on the overt racist sentencing, cocaine versus crack, this fallacy crack is different, makes you crazy and makes you do terrible things which is not true. have we made any progress? >> some places. it was easier to go from 101 disparity to 1 to 1, in south carolina, there wasn't a u.s. congress, so many democrats are so afraid as being seen as soft on crime, they know what works and frankly afraid to do it. right now, while you get some people like david paterson quite brave in killing the old