governors. well, today's politico reports that rank and file police officers and firefighters who long viewed themselves as separate from the rest of the movement are caring picket signs, signs petitions and standing side by side with their labor brethren. in a way we hadn't seen before. are they doing some long-term damage to their party? harold schafer, general president of the international association of firefighter and retired police officer michael taylor is with ohio's fraternal order of police. harold, let me start with you on this. look, you have been and the firefighters' union is fairly traditionally democrat on the national level. but talk about the state level and the local level firefighters and the partisan diversity that they have shown over the years. >> well, chuck, you've been watching us in the political arena for a long time. our principle is really always straightforward and that is that we will support those and the