the 14, their right to vote in committee sessions of the state senate as a punishment for their departure, so that's just going to -- i guarantee you it already has gotten people even more energized, even more angry. >> quickly, john, are these rallies over with? have we seen the last of the rallies before the possible recall? >> no. the rallies are going home to the districts. scott walker went up to northern wisconsin the other day to washburn and almost 3,000 people turned out in a town of less than 3,000. i think the rallies are going to be all over the state but those rallies will have recall petitions at the center of them and i think they'll be in the districts of some of these republican senators. >> the wisconsin 14 viewed as heroes and the governor is trying to spin it saying what they're doing is progressive. it's amazing. john nichols, washington correspondent of "the nation" great to have you with us tonight. joining us now two farmers who took part in the rally on saturday. tony schultz, a third generation farmer from athens, wisconsin, and also joel greeno, a dairy farmer and vice president of family farm defenders.