but i think the other important thing is that, you know, republicans may feel that certain of these government functions are nonessential but actually quite essential to a lot of people and also the other impact that was not mentioned was that the united states, as a debtor -- the united states credit worthiness would come into question. whether or not we're a reckless country that is not properly servicing our debt because debt servicing comes under government spending. you can't say we're going to shut down the government with no consequences internationally. americans would feel the pin. of it over time. for the gop, they allow another government shutdown, it's going to like like they're cap taken chaos. they get into government and the wheels fall off, the government is shutting down. since they haven't done anything on jobs, this is what they'll be known for going forward into the campaign season and for republicans that would be bad news. >> joy-ann, when you talk about