>> senator, what's your response? the governor says he's going to have to now lay off workers because he can't get a deal with the democrats. what's your response to that? >> right. what's really unfortunate about this is this is a tactic that he's used before, and unfortunately, it's nothing more than a tactic that really frightens workers throughout wisconsin. i've had a few friends who have called me with tears in their eyes talking about the layoff notice they've gotten in the mail saying, is this for real? and i had to think for a minute and think, okay, maybe this is actually happening. he actually did the same thing about a year and a half ago when he was county executive and i was on the county board and he was trying to force our hand on another budget issue that didn't end ub materializing. so this is actually just a political tool he's trying to use, and it's unfortunate that he's using people's lives and people's hivelivelihoods in a