always say who came in second because bob always won. and that sort of thing. so him going around the world in a boat was not a challenge to him because he was an excellent sailor and knew where he was all the time. we had no problems with him doing that. and he's a very nice guy. he's a retired veterinarian. phyllis is a wonderful lady. she's very happy, very bright all the time, very attractive. and we liked them both very much. they were our family. everybody in our yacht club is family. and when this happens to two of our family members, it's difficult. >> especially after what must have been such an exciting embarkation on an adventure. what's been the reaction there among your community? >> it was great sadness, great shock. we don't really have the words to express the feelings we have. our captain sent out a message