in. for more on the top 25 most influential leaders of all time, check out grio.com. now, we're going to say congratulations, you're got the job, and then condolences because you've got the job. it's a catch-22. what some people are saying about reince priebus, the new chair of the republican national committee. the party has $20 million in debt, a lot of house cleaning to do after scandals and all before the 2012 presidential race. ari berman with the nation and prince ellen smiths a republican strategist. i want to start with who is this guy? why would he want this job? is he the anti-steele? >> no, that's such a great question. i'm actually one of the few people that actually knew mr. priebus. propertiesers were scrambling to figure out the correct spelling of his name. i met him when i worked for newt gingrich, i helped him put together the wisconsin gop